Tim Bray has a recent post entitled The Real Problem that opens up the quarterly debate on the biggest usability problem facing XML syndication technologies like RSS and Atom; there is no easy way for end users to discover or subscribe to a website's feed.

Tim writes

One-Click Subscription First of all, most people don’t know about feeds, and most that do don’t subscribe to them. Check out the comments to Dwight Silverman’s What’s Wrong with RSS? (By the way, if there were any doubt that the blogging phenomenon has legs, the fact that so many people read them even without the benefits of RSS should clear that up).

Here’s the truth: an orange “XML” sticker that produces gibberish when you click on it does not win friends and influence people. The notion that the general public is going to grok that you copy the URI and paste it into your feed-reader is just ridiculous.

But, as you may have noticed, the Web has a built-in solution for this. When you click on a link to a picture, it figures out what kind of picture and displays it. When you click on a link to a movie, it pops up your favorite movie player and shows it. When you click on a link to a PDF, you get a PDF viewer.

RSS should work like this; it never has, but it can, and it won’t be very hard. First, you have to twiddle your server so RSS is served up correctly, for example as application/rss+xml or application/atom+xml. If you don’t know what this means, don’t worry, the person who runs your web server can do it in five minutes.

Second, you either need to switch to Atom 1.0 or start using <atom:link rel="self"> in RSS. If our thought leaders actually stepped up and started shouting about this, pretty well the whole world could have one-click subscriptions by next summer, using well-established, highly-interoperable, wide-open standards.

As long as people expect one click subscription to depend on websites using the right icons, the right HTML and the right MIME types for their documents it won't become widespread. On the other hand, this debate is about to become moot anyway because every major web browser is going to have a [Subscribe to this website] button on it in a year or so. Firefox already has Live Bookmarks, there's Safari RSS for Mac OS X users and Internet Explorer 7 will have Web Feeds.

As far as I'm concerned, the one click subscription problem has already been solved. I guess that's why Dave Winer is now arguing about what to name the feature across different Web browsers. After all, RSS geeks must always have something to argue about. :)


 

For the few folks that have asked, I have uploaded 50 Photos from my Nigeria Trip to the photo album in my MSN Space. The photos are from all over Nigeria specifically Lagos, Abuja and Abeokuta. They are somewhat crappy since I used a disposable camera I bought at the airport but they do capture the spirit of the vacation.

I guess I should start thinking about investing in a digital camera.

Update: Even though no one asked I've also decided to start rotating a song of the week on my space from the rap group I formed with Big Lo and a couple of other guys back in high school. Just click on the play button on the Windows Media player module to hear this week's track.


 

Categories: Trip Report

August 16, 2005
@ 06:40 PM

Joe Wilcox, an analyst for Jupiter Research, recently posted his changed impressions on MSN Spaces in his blog post Making Room for My Space. He writes

I have started using MSN Spaces as the place where I keep my personal Weblog. Duing 2004 and part of 2005, I used TypePad's blogging service, and more recently moved one of my domains to a bloghoster. While a domain offers great search engine exposure, using the hosted blogging software requires some knowledge of HTML/CSS coding and other techniques; it's more work and trouble than I have time for. TypePad is a good alterative that's fairly easy to use, but it's by no means point and click.

To Microsoft's credit, MSN Spaces is remarkably easy to use, or so I am discovering as I give the service a hard second look. Sure, there were glitches at beta launch, but the service seems solid now. Some established blogger balked at the lack of control, meaning Microsoft tools took most of it, when the service launched as beta. But Microsoft never meant the service for them, but the masses of people that hadn't yet started blogging, and maybe folks like me too busy to become an amateur blogsite designer.

The simplicity and beauty of Microsoft's approach foreshadows possible future product changes competitors and partners shouldn't ignore...MSN Spaces takes that approach, of providing easy tools for doing the most common blogsite tasks. The user doesn't have as much control, but he or she can get the most common tasks quickly done. Over time, Microsoft has increased the amount of control and customization that power users would want, such as Friday's release of three MSN Spaces PowerToys, for layout control, custom (sandbox) modules and Windows Media content.
...
I would encourage Microsoft competitors and partners to closely watch MSN Spaces' progress. Apple blindsided Microsoft with iPod and the iTunes Music Store, a circumstance well understood by Microsoft product managers. Simplicity is one cornerstone of the products' success. Synching iPod to iTunes is no more complicated than connecting the device to the computer. There are settings to do more, but the baseline functionality that is suitable to most users is plug and synch. Microsoft has embarked on a similar, simpler approach with MSN Spaces.

It is interesting seeing how geeks adore complexity in the software and hardware that they use. I can still remember Robert Scoble's complaints about Spaces in his post MSN Spaces isn't the blogging service for me  or even CmdrTaco's comments when Apple released the iPod, "No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame". Despite both products being dissed by A-list geeks they have become widely adopted by millions of people.  

More proof that designing for regular people is a lot different from designing for geeks.


 

Categories: MSN

I was recently re-reading Jesse James Garrett's article Ajax: A New Approach to Web Applications and it struck me that the article was very much an introductory text on building web applications which skirted a number of real world issues. The core idea behind the article is that using DHTML and server callbacks results in web sites that are more responsive [from the end user's perspective] than traditional web applications. This is very true.

However if you are building a large scale web application there is more to consider when using AJAX than how to create a function that hides the differences between the XMLHttpRequest object in IE and Firefox. Problems that have to be solved [or at the very least considered] include

  1. How to abstract away browser detection from each page in the application
  2. How to make the site accessible or at least work on non-Javascript enabled browsers
  3. How to efficiently manage the number of connections to the server created by the client given the "chattiness" of AJAX applications compared to traditional web applications
  4. How to reduce the amount of time spent downloading large script files
  5. How to create permalinks to portions of the application
  6. How to preserve or at least simulate the behavior of the browser's 'Back' button

At MSN we've had to come up with solutions to a number of these problems while working on Start.com, MSN Spaces, the next version of Hotmail, and the next version of MyMSN. We have built our own AJAX framework and come up with a number of best practices for building large scale applications using AJAX. 

Much to my surprise Scott Isaacs (one of the inventors of DHTML and now an architect at MSN) has started a series on the problems that face web sites that plan to utilize AJAX and how we solved them at MSN. The first two articles in the series are Why Ajax is so 1999? Part 1 and Why Ajax is so 1999? Part 2. Scott will also be giving a talk at the Microsoft Professional Developer's Conference (PDC) about Start.com and some of the cool AJAX stuff we've done.

I actually expected this would be the kind of information we'd keep close to our chest since they give us a competitive advantage so it is quite a welcome surprise to see us sharing knowledge with the Web developer community this way. I've already started nagging Scott to write a book about this stuff or at least update his Inside Dynamic HTML for the new millenium.


 

Categories: MSN | Web Development

Since leaving the XML team last year I haven't paid much attention to the various betas and CTPs of Visual Studio.NET 2005 that have been made available over the past year. Thus I don't have a position on the article Developers seek third beta release for Visual Studio 2005 from InfoWorld which states

After having been stalled several times already, it would seem that the last thing developers would want for the Visual Studio 2005 toolset is another delay. Nonetheless, a request from some developers for a new beta release would, if granted, potentially hold back the product set yet again.
...
In launching an effort for a third beta release, developers are citing bugs and performance issues with existing prereleases. A suggestion posted on the MSDN Product Feedback Center seeks support for a third beta release of Visual Studio 2005 and Visual Studio 2005 Team System in late September.

"Push back RTM (release to manufacturing) if you have to," the online suggestion states. "RTM December 31st or push it to 2006 (just keep the 2005 name then, no big deal)."

The release-to-manufacturing date signifies the product’s impending general availability for customers.

"There are still way too many bugs and performance issues. Too many issues get resolved as 'postponed,'" the online request continued. "Developers won't care about when the RTM date was a few months after RTM if the product is full of bugs."

Seventy-two people had voted on the suggestion as of Friday afternoon.

"I would much rather that Microsoft push this release back and get things right," according to one person who commented.

"A Beta 3 is absolutely required," stated another person who signed the petition. "There are so many outstanding bugs and issues that a Beta 3 is required to ensure stability of the final release."

Microsoft released a prepared statement via e-mail Friday noting the planned November 7 release date.

"Microsoft appreciates feedback from all users. For this version of Visual Studio, Microsoft has continually solicited product feedback by issuing multiple betas and Community Technology Previews (CTPs) and encouraging the community to provide feedback via the MSDN Product Feedback Center. The community of 6 million Visual Studio developers and more than 240 Visual Studio Industry Partners (VSIP) have been providing a great deal of valuable feedback and telling Microsoft that they are very excited [about] the November 7 launch."

Interesting feedback. The number of votes on the issue have doubled to about 143 votes as at a few minutes ago when I checked on the issue entitled Suggestion Details: Release .Net 2.0 Beta 3 on the MSDN Product Feedback Center.

Despite how negative this seems, it is great that customers can give such direct feedback to Microsoft product teams in such a transparent manner. The developer division faces a tough challenge if the claims being made by the commenters are valid.  I wish them luck.
 


 

August 15, 2005
@ 06:20 PM

It seems there is an open call for participation for the 2006 edition of the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference (ETech). Although I'm not in right demographic to be an ETech speaker since I don't work at a sexy Silicon Valley startup, I'm not a VP at a major software company and don't consider myself a Friend of O'Reilly, I plan to toss my hat in the ring and send in two talk proposals anyway.

  1. What's Next for RSS, Atom and Content Aggregation: Currently the primary usage of content syndication technology like RSS has been consuming news and blog postings in desktop or web-based RSS readers. However the opportunities created by syndication technologies go much further than enabling us to keep up with Slashdot and Boing Boing in our RSS reader of choice. Podcasting is one manifestation of the new opportunities that arise once the concept of content syndication and aggregation is applied to domains outside of news sites and blogs. This talk will focus problem areas and scenarios oustde of blogs, news sites and traditional RSS readers that can benefit from the application of syndication technologies like RSS and Atom.

  2. Bringing MSN into Web 2.0: The essence of Web 2.0 is moving from a Web consisting of Web pages and Web sites (Web 1.0) to a Web consisting of Web applications based on open data that are built on Web platforms. MSN hosts a number of properties from social software applications like MSN Spaces, Hotmail, MSN Groups and MSN Messenger which are used by hundreds of millions of people to communicate to software that enables people to find information they need such as MSN Search and MSN Virtual Earth. All of these applications. A number of these web sites are making the transition to becoming web platforms; MSN Virtual Earth has a Javascript API, MSN Search exposes search results as RSS feeds and MSN Spaces will support the MetaWeblog API which uses XML-RPC. This talk will focus on the current and future API offerings coming from MSN and give a behind the scenes look as to how some of these APIs came about from conception and getting sign off from the bean counters to technical details on building web services.

These are my first drafts of both proposals, criticisms are welcome. If they don't get accepted, I'll survive. Now that I've actually written the abstracts I can just keep submitting them to various conferences I'm interested in until they get accepted somewhere. In my experience, it usually takes about 2 or 3 submissions to get a talk accepted anyway.


 

Categories: Web Development

August 15, 2005
@ 03:07 AM

The MSN Mobile team dropped two excellent betas last week. The first was http://mobile.spaces.msn.com/ which is mentioned in Mike Torres's post on the Mobile Spaces (Beta) where we learn

you can:

  1. Create a space from a mobile device.  Pocket PCs, Palms, and most popular mobile phones are supported.  Just browse over to http://mobile.spaces.msn.com from your mobile device (or go to http://spaces.msn.com and you will be redirected to the mobile version)
  2. See a list of your contacts' recently updated spaces.  This feature is really useful for a mobile device and great for catching up with people!  Just "click" on a contact to get to their space and start exploring.
  3. Add blog entries, view your archives, email a link to your space, and even change your settings - all from your itty bitty mobile device.
  4. Read and add new comments (my favorite feature!)  You are now able to stay on top of discussions from wherever you happen to be - in school, on a bus, in a meeting, or in line at Starbucks.

The second beta is http://mobile.msn.com/search/ which brings local search to your mobile device. This is mentioned in the blog post Get Local Search with Maps and Directions on your phone!  from the MSN Search blog where we learn

So what does it do? You can search for a restaurant, store, school, dentist, museum – basically, anything listed in the Yellow Pages and White Pages. Just enter your search term (i.e. "coffee" or "Victrola" ) and location (zip code, city/state or full street address) and hit the Search button. Your recently used locations are even stored and easily accessible the next time you use the service. We’ll return the first handful of results, including name, address, distance from your current location and phone number – which you can dial by clicking!  Select the result name and you’ll see a page with more detail, including a color map. Select "get directions" and we’ll provide turn-by-turn driving directions between your starting location and result address (both editable). All of these features have been specially designed to work on your phone, requiring minimal interaction and optimized for speed and ease of use.

The MSN Mobile crewis definitely shipping some good stuff. Props go out to Michael Smuga and the rest of the gang.


 

Categories: MSN

Today I was working on completing the support for Atom 1.0 in the next version of RSS Bandit and decided to make the changes for parsing out enclosure/podcast elements while I was in that part of the code. RSS 2.0 is pretty straightforward, there is an <enclosure> element that is a child of the <item> element.

On the other hand, the Atom 1.0 specification has two completely different mechanisms for creating podcasts. Both mechanisms are described in the article by James Snell entitled An overview of the Atom 1.0 Syndication Format. From the article

Support for enclosures

Listing 4. Atom 1.0 podcasting example

						
								
										       
<feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom">
  <id>http://www.example.org/myfeed</id>
  <title>My Podcast Feed</title>
  <updated>2005-07-15T12:00:00Z</updated>
  <author>
    <name>James M Snell</name>
  </author>
  <link href="http://example.org" />
  <link rel="self" href="http://example.org/myfeed" />
  <entry>
    <id>http://www.example.org/entries/1</id>
    <title>Atom 1.0</title>
    <updated>2005-07-15T12:00:00Z</updated>
    <link href="http://www.example.org/entries/1" />
    <summary>An overview of Atom 1.0</summary>
    <link rel="enclosure" 
          type="audio/mpeg"
          title="MP3"
          href="http://www.example.org/myaudiofile.mp3"
          length="1234" />
										
												
														  <link rel="enclosure"
          type="application/x-bittorrent"
          title="BitTorrent"
          href="http://www.example.org/myaudiofile.torrent"
          length="1234" />
												
    <content type="xhtml">
      <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
        <h1>Show Notes</h1>
        <ul>
          <li>00:01:00 -- Introduction</li>
          <li>00:15:00 -- Talking about Atom 1.0</li>
          <li>00:30:00 -- Wrapping up</li>
        </ul>
      </div>
    </content>
  </entry>
</feed>
								
						
				

Atom enclosures allow you to do more than just distribute audio content. Enclosure links can reference any type of resource. Listing 5, for instance, uses multiple enclosures within a single entry to reference translated versions of a single PDF document that's accessible through FTP. The hreflang attribute identifies the language that each PDF document has been translated into.

Content-by-reference

In addition to support for links and enclosures, Atom introduces the ability to reference entry content by URI. Listing 6, for instance, illustrates how an Atom feed for a photo weblog might appear. The content element references each individual photograph in the blog. The summary element provides a caption for the image.


Listing 6. A simple list of images using Atom 1.0

						
								
										        
<feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
      xml:base="http://www.example.org/">
  <id>http://www.example.org/pictures</id>
  <title>My Picture Gallery</title>
  <updated>2005-07-15T12:00:00Z</updated>
  <author>
    <name>James M Snell</name>
  </author>
  <entry>
     <id>http://www.example.org/entries/1</id>
     <title>Trip to San Francisco</title>
     <link href="/entries/1" />
     <updated>2005-07-15T12:00:00Z</updated>
     <summary>A picture of my hotel room in San Francisco</summary>
     <content type="image/png" src="/mypng1.png" />
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <id>http://www.example.org/entries/2</id>
    <title>My new car</title>
    <link href="/entries/2" />
    <updated>2005-07-15T12:00:00Z</updated>
    <summary>A picture of my new car</summary>
    <content type="image/png" src="/mypng2.png" />
  </entry>
</feed>
								
						
				

This content-by-reference mechanism provides a very flexible means of expanding the types of content that one can syndicate through Atom.

After looking at this from all angles for about 30 minutes the only conclusion I can come to is that Atom provided two completely different mechanisms of achieving the same goal. This is likely a potential gotcha for aggregator authors who might end up supporting one or the other of the mechanisms instead of both.

After this, I still have to add some code to also support Yahoo! Media RSS and then track down some feeds that actually use all the various enclosure techniques so I can test my code with actual real world scenarios. I'd appreciate any pointers to test feeds especially for the Yahoo! Media extensions to RSS [which I'm considering not supporting if there aren't that many feeds that use it].

No rest for the wicked. ;)


 

In recent weeks there have been a number of blog postings critical of the Technorai Top 100 List of popular web logs. The criticisms have primarily been of two flavors; some posts have been critical of the idea of blogging as popularity contests which such lists encourage and others have criticized the actual mechanism of calculating popularity used by Technorati. I agree with both criticisms especially the former. There have been a number of excellent posts arguing both points which I have think are worth sharing.

Mary Hodder, in her post Link Love Lost or How Social Gestures within Topic Groups are More Interesting Than Link, argues that more metrics besides link count should be used for calculating popularity and influence. Some of the additional metrics she suggests include comment counts and number of subscribers to the site's RSS feed. She also suggests creating topic specific lists instead of one ber list for the entire blogosphere. It seems a primary motivation for encouraging this approach is to increase the pool of bloggers that are targetted by PR agencies and the like. Specifically Mary writes

However, I'm beginning to see many reports prepared by PR people, communications consultants etc. that make assessments of 'influential bloggers' for particular clients. These reports 'score' bloggers by some random number based on something: maybe inbound links or the number of bloglines subscribers or some such single figure called out next to each blog's name.

Shelley Powers has a different perspective in her post Technology is neither good nor evil. In arguing against the popularity contests inherent in creating competing A-lists or even just B-lists to complement the A-lists she writes 

Even if we tried to analyze a persons links to another, we cant derive from this anything other than person A has linked to person B several times. If we use these to define a community to which we belong, and then seek to rank ourselves within these communities, all weve done is create a bunch of little Technorati 100s and communities that are going to form barriers to entry. We see this communal behavior all too often: a small group of people who know each other link to each other frequently and to outsiders infrequently; basically shutting down the discussion outside of the community.
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I think Mary should stop with I hate rankism. I understand the motivations behind this work, but ultimately, whatever algorithm is derived will eventually end up replicating the existing patterns of authority rather than replacing them. This pattern repeated itself within the links to Jay Rosens post; it repeated itself within the speaker list that Mary started for women ("where are the women speakers"), but had its first man within a few hours, and whose purpose was redefined within a day to include both men and women.

Rankings are based on competition. Those who seek to compete will always dominate within a ranking, no matter how carefully we try to 'route' around their own particular form of 'damage'. What we need to challenge is the pattern, not the tools, or the tool results. 

I agree with Shelley that attempts to right the so called "imbalance" created by lists such as the Technorati Top 100 will encourage competition and stratification within certain blogging circles. I also agree that despite whatever algorithms are used, a lot of the same names will still end up on the lists for a variety of reasons. A major one being that a number of the so-called A-list blogs actually work very hard to be "popular" and changing the metrics by which their popularity is judged won't change this fact.

So Shelley has given us some of the social arguments while popularity lists such as the Technorati Top 100 aren't a good idea. But are the technical flaws in Technorati's approach to calculating weblog popularity so bad? Yes, they are.

Danah Boyd has a post entitled The biases of links where she did some research to show exactly how flawed simply counting links on web pages isn't an accurate way to calculate popularity or influence. There are a lot of excellent points in Danah's post and the entire post is worth reading multiple times. Below are some key excerpts from Danah's post

I decided to do the same for non-group blogs in the Technorati Top 100. I hadn't looked at the Top 100 in a while and was floored to realize that most of those blogs are group blogs and/or professional blogs (with "editors" and clear financial backing). Most are covered in advertisements and other things meant to make them money. It's very clear that their creators have worked hard to reach many eyes (for fame, power or money?).
...
Blogrolls:

  • All MSNSpaces users have a list of "Updated Spaces" that looks like a blogroll. It's not. It's a random list of 10 blogs on MSNSpaces that have been recently updated. As a result, without special code (like in Technorati), search engines get to see MSNSpace bloggers as connecting to lots of other blogs. This would create the impression of high network density between MSNSpaces which is inaccurate.
  • Few LiveJournals have a blogroll but almost all have a list of friends one click away. This is not considered by search tools that look only at the front page.
    ...
  • Blogrolls seem to be very common on politically-oriented blogs and always connect to blogs with similar political views (or to mainstream media).
  • Blogrolls by group blogging companies (like Weblogs, Inc.) always link to other blogs in the domain, using collective link power to help all.
    ...
  • Male bloggers who write about technology (particularly social software) seem to be the most likely to keep blogrolls. Their blogrolls tend be be dominantly male, even when few of the blogs they link to are about technology. I haven't found one with >25% female bloggers (and most seem to be closer to 10%).
  • On LJ (even though it doesn't count) and Xanga, there's a gender division in blogrolls whereby female bloggers have mostly female "friends" and vice versa.
  • I was also fascinated that most of the mommy bloggers that i met at Blogher link to Dooce (in Top 100) but Dooce links to no one. This seems to be true of a lot of topical sites - there's a consensus on who is in the "top" and everyone links to them but they link to no one.
    ...

Linking patterns:

  • The Top 100 tend to link to mainstream media, companies or websites (like Wikipedia, IMDB) more than to other blogs (Boing Boing is an exception).
  • Blogs on blogging services rarely link to blogs in the posts (even when they are talking about other friends who are in their blogroll or friends' list). It looks like there's a gender split in tool use; Mena said that LJ is like 75% female, while Typepad and Moveable Type have far fewer women.
  • Bloggers often talk about other people without linking to their blog (as though the audience would know the blog based on the person). For example, a blogger might talk about Halley Suitt's presence or comments at Blogher but never link to her. This is much rarer in the Top 100 who tend to link to people when they reference them.
  • Content type is correlated with link structure (personal blogs contain few links, politics blogs contain lots of links). There's a gender split in content type.
  • When bloggers link to another blog, it is more likely to be same gender.

I began this investigation curious about gender differences. There are a few things that we know in social networks. First, our social networks are frequently split by gender (from childhood on). Second, men tend to have large numbers of weak ties and women tend to have fewer, but stronger ties. This means that in traditional social networks, men tend to know far more people but not nearly as intimately as those women know. (This is a huge advantage for men in professional spheres but tends to wreak havoc when social support becomes more necessary and is often attributed to depression later in life.)

While blog linking tends to be gender-dependent, the number of links seems to be primarily correlated with content type and service. Of course, since content type and service are correlated by gender, gender is likely a secondary effect.
...
These services are definitely measuring something but what they're measuring is what their algorithms are designed to do, not necessarily influence or prestige or anything else. They're very effectively measuring the available link structure. The difficulty is that there is nothing consistent whatsoever with that link structure. There are disparate norms, varied uses of links and linking artifacts controlled by external sources (like the hosting company). There is power in defining the norms, but one should question whether or companies or collectives should define them. By squishing everyone into the same rule set so that something can be measured, the people behind an algorithm are exerting authority and power, not of the collective, but of their biased view of what should be. This is inherently why there's nothing neutral about an algorithm.

There is a lot of good stuff in the excerpts above and it would take an entire post or maybe a full article to go over all the gems in Danah's entry. One random but interesting point is that LiveJournal bloggers are penalized by systems such as the Technorati Top 100. For example, Jamie Zawinski has over 1900 people who link to him from their Friend's page in LiveJournal but he somehow doesn't make the cut for the Technorati Top 100. Maybe the fact that most of his popularity is within the LiveJournal community makes his "authority" less valid than others with less incoming links that are in the Technorati Top 100 list.

Yeah, right.


 

August 13, 2005
@ 05:11 AM

Robert Scoble has a blog post entitled Filtering Out MSN's Filter which seems like a good enough opportunity to state why I think of the newest addition to MSN's family of offerings. Robert wrote

MSN Filter sure is getting some people upset (hi Ross Mayfield).

Personally I wanted to give MSN Filter a few weeks before giving my opinion, but Ross goaded me into it.

Boring. Boring. Boring.

First, what is it? MSN hired five people to do a blog each. There's one on sports. Another on tech. Music. TV. Lifestyle.

I have to agree with Robert, I think the MSN Filter sites are pretty boring. More importantly as a MSFT shareholder and someone that works at MSN, I think it is a bad business investment in its current incarnation. Precedents for professional blogging such as Gawker Media (e.g. Gizmodo)  and Weblogs Inc. (e.g. Engadget) family of sites are supported by topic specific ads including some from Google's AdSense program. On the other hand, if you look at MSN's Technology Filter you don't see any such ads.

I think it is pretty cool that MSN is allowing folks experiment with ventures like MSN Filter. However my personal opinion is that in its current incarnation it's a lame knock off of the stuff coming out of folks like Nick Denton and Jason Calacanis and it doesn't have a chance of making much [if any] money for us since they are eschewing targetted ads.  

Lame. Lame. Lame.


 

Categories: MSN