January 4, 2006
@ 07:56 PM

Via Miguel De Icaza I found the post Fear is the mind killer from the Jesus General blog. It states

Our Leader hasn't caught Osama bin Laden, but he's doing a bang up job rounding up brown people.

From the documentary, Persons of Interest:


"Syed Ali was a partner in a successful securities firm prior to September 11th. Following an unrelated business dispute, one of his partners told the FBI Syed was a terrorist. The authorities stormed his house and found, among other things, a visitor's pass to the World Trade Center and his son's flight simulator video game. Syed was held on Rikers Island for 100 days. He lost his business; family and friends became scared off by the terror allegations. The government dropped all terrorist charges against Syed Ali. He now operates a limousine franchise. Previously a homemaker, his wife, Deliliah, found work as a legal secretary and hospital clerk."


"Nabil is originally from Palestine. He was arrested on September 11 2001 while stopped at a traffic light in Philadelphia. "Where are you from?" Nabil remembers the officer asking him. "Israel," Nabil answered. The officer asked Nabil if he was Israeli or Arabic. "I said I'm Arabic, and they said you're under arrest." Nabil was detained for one year and seventeen days. He was never charged with anything. His wife and children were all deported back to Palestine. After he was released Nabil got a working permit and a job as a contractor. "I am trying to get my life back together," he said, "But it's hard. It was hard for me in jail. Now my main concern is my family." Nabil was re-arrested in April 2003 when police in Syracuse, NY pulled over a speeding car in which he was a passenger. He was held in a Batavia, NY jail and then deported to the West Bank, where he was reunited with his wife and four children."


"Mateen Butt, 26, came to the United States from Pakistan when he was nine years old. He lives in Valley Stream, New York and was working as a telecommunications analyst on Sept. 11. On Sept. 18 2002, ten officers surrounded Mateen's house at 6 a.m. and took him away in shackles. He was told he was being detained because of an application for a work visa he filed when he wad 16 years old. Mateen was interrogated and asked whether he was a Muslim and attended a Mosque, but he refused to answer. He was detained in both Middlesex and Bergen County. Mateen's experience in prison affected him dramatically. He has become much more religious and no longer feels safe here in the United States. "I don't feel free any more," he said, "I don't have the same feeling." Mateen's mother, Naz, has sold her Subway sandwich shop and the family plans to return to Karachi, Pakistan, a land Mateen has not known since he was a child."

There are a couple more profiles on the site which detail some of the people's whose lives have been changed by being part of the collateral damage in the United States's "War on Terror". Of course, they could have had it worse.

When I read blog posts like Shelley Powers They're Back or Robert Scoble's Microsoft takes down Chinese blogger (my opinions on that), I wonder why I tend to see American bloggers writing angry missives about perceived injustices in faraway lands but never about the oppression by government in their own countries. I guess it's all a case of Luke 6:41 in action.


Wednesday, January 4, 2006 8:21:37 PM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
Dare this is disingenous posting. Leaving aside from the fact that you work for MSN Spaces, and therefore are not exactly unbiased, this one writing of mine does not preclude that I haven't also written out against actions taken in this country--actually in defense of Microsoft's actions once in this regard.

Personally I think American corporations are responsible for many problems in this country -- including influencing our government's methods and relations with other countries. Even countries that are becoming bizarrely competitively oppressive.

I'm disappointed at this post.

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 8:37:13 PM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
Dare, I'm with Shelley on this one. A great post until the end when you cherry pick one writing by each blogger. For shame.

Wednesday, January 4, 2006 8:50:10 PM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
Thanks for the post. For a person from South Asia, I was not aware of the extent of this.

I believe both, this and against censorship for freedom articles by Chinese are needed.
And Brown people (even if it is a direct quote), avoidable. Moreso, if you notice, they are specifically targetting muslims.

Amit C
Amit C
Wednesday, January 4, 2006 9:41:41 PM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
Posts like these are one of the reasons that this blog is on my daily reading list.

Cherry picking or not, the points brought up are both valid and are sadly not often heard due to pointless buzzing of most blogs inculding my own.
Wednesday, January 4, 2006 11:40:47 PM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
There is terrible injustice in the Justice System. Have not all of us experienced it at one time or another?

We are in a very serious time. There are people that want all Jews and Christians DEAD. They successfully killed 3000 +/- on our soil. There were others outside the country. We, finally, said "No More", and have been taking the usual government ineptness, however - The Final Result has been in maintaining our overall strength in persistence and positive outcome to keep our country in balance is working.

IT IS NOT WEAKNESS BUT STRENGTH - AND THE POWERS BEYOND US - THAT KEEP US IN BALANCE. (Washington has within, all of the ego maniacs and those struggling for power, so back to US - to separate the weeds from the flowers).

Douglas H. Gordon
Thursday, January 5, 2006 2:53:54 AM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
So how would you improve this system?

I always see you liberals maoning and complaining but offering little in way of coming up with ways to solve problems.

Thursday, January 5, 2006 4:14:29 AM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
Dare, the "perceived injustices" that Shelley and Scoble write about obviously have implications in "faraway lands," but they're writing about the actions of a company in their own country. They tend to write about tech topics and the tech business, and they're writing about the actions of a major player in the tech industry. A very, very, American player.

Thursday, January 5, 2006 9:20:29 AM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
Great post. Thanks for speaking out on this.
Omer Khan
Thursday, January 5, 2006 6:28:24 PM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
Great post - sadly Dare what you describe is not uncommon. In fact recently in the UK we had stop and search laws which have since been repealed because 90% of the people stopped were non-white! In the last century they used to round up people they thought were witches and burn them at the stake or drown them not alot has changed ... they are just brown now!

Personally I am non-religious they are all as bad as each other - christian, jews, muslims, etc. All claim to be the only way and the right way to reach God and righteousness and yet they are all man-made methods dating back in time to control the mass population through fear (the term God-fearing christian comes to mind or the threat of Hell etc) whilst feathering the nest of the elite. i.e the Pope's not doing too badly sat in the the world's richest city.

Why where so many large churches, mosque's etc built when the average person was starving to death during the last two centuries? "Make poverty history" the church proclaims - well for starters sell the Vatican in fact all churches, synagogues, temples and mosques etc and have the proceeds go to needy causes like aid, water, food, education, shelter. That might actually help fix the problems facing the poor and hungry! Remove the trade barriers applied to the 3rd world and support "fair trade". And that's just for starters.

But lets be clear this is not a war on terror this is a war for oil and profits. The West is an economy built around oil - the problem is the Arabs have it all and the West wants it but only if it is cheap. Just imagine if the Arabs did not have the oil - guess what - they too would have been left to starve just like the Africans and only remembered when Bob Geldof decided to run another Live Aid concert.

So the Western governments like religions have created this fear factor around us to justify their actions in our names and less we forget they round up a few "boogey men" to remind us that their actions are "holy" justified.

But what we should not forget is the CIA created and trained Al-Queda to fight the Russians and as an ex-Army officer in the UK I used to train Iraqi soldiers in the late 80's to fight the Iranian's. Back then Saddam was our friend!

If it truly is about removing terrorist dictators and not oil then why are the Americans and Brits not in Zimbabwe (whites and blacks are being killed by Mugabee) or in North Korea - because they have no oil!

The expression is "you can fool some of the people some of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time".

So what's the answer - Michio Kaku in his wonderful book Parallel Worlds describes a Level 1 planet in which the people have a common language, currency and government. Man-made National "classification" bounderies are no longer of importance. A black-man born in America today is classified as an American not an African just because he is black, just as a white-man born in India may choose to be classified as an Indian today. And in the future both will simply just be classified as a member of planet earth.

As for religion well it is becoming less important - note the drop in the level of church attendees - in the future the internet may provide the main socio-economic groupings people associate themselves with. I personally probably have more in common with geek bloggers than my non-technical neighbour or a Hindu in India. Federated Trust may well eventually enable me to choose who I wish to associate myself with.

Today my passport tells you I am British and my parents religion tells you I am Hindu but in the future people of a Level 1 planet and historians may look back on this national religious classification as old-fashioned quaintness and the sole reason why the world was at war with itself for so long!
Friday, January 6, 2006 2:27:40 AM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)

Be sure and tell the Iraqis that have gone "un-tortured", "un-raped" and "un-killed" because the United States removed a brutal murdering dictator that sponsored terrorists of your insane viewpoint.

Friday, January 6, 2006 10:21:27 AM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)

Friday, January 6, 2006 9:11:29 PM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)

But don't forget - the reason Iraq was invaded was to rid the world of his weapons of mass distruction - not because he was a brutal dictator. I've no problem with Saddam's removal, I've a big problem with being deceived, and then being forced to watch as the orginal story becomes unnews before my eyes.

Oh - and it wasn't the US - if I remember correctly, there was some sort of coalition involved - British troops are dying out there too - but hey, whatever.

Oh, and I also kinda resent being viewed as a potential terrorist because of the colour of my skin.

Friday, January 6, 2006 9:12:46 PM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
oh - i meant to say "it wasn't *just* the US that removed Saddam..."
Sunday, January 8, 2006 5:43:10 PM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)

I would also object to you being viewed as a potentional terrorist because of the color of your skin!

Take care.
Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:32:34 AM (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
Sobig.F dung that had made
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