October 8, 2010
@ 03:44 PM

Earlier this week Facebook announced the revamp of Facebook Groups. At first I planned to avoid commenting on this release since there is significant overlap between it’s functionality and that of Windows Live Groups so it is hard for me to have an objective perspective. However this morning I saw the following tweet from a designer at Facebook

 

I found this a little intriguing since I was sure I'd seen the presentation from the Google UX researcher he was referencing and I couldn't see how Facebook Groups addresses the problem he pointed out. If you haven't seen the presentation there is a brief description and link to it in the VentureBeat article Google researcher says friend groups may give it a window to best Facebook. Below are key excerpts from the article which capture the key point from the presentation

Through studying the nuances of social interaction both off- and online, Google researchers found that people typically have between four and six friend groups and only between two and six “close” friends, he said. College friends don’t necessarily mix with work friends, who don’t necessarily mix with a person’s family.

Adams pointed out all of the different problem scenarios Facebook users run into if the different parts of their identities end up blurring. One teacher the company interviewed, for example, realized that photos of her with her close friends at a gay bar were being exposed to her 10-year-old students.

Personally, I’d always assumed this collision of friend groups would be the main challenge that would prevent Facebook from being as successful as it could be back in 2008. What I didn’t expect is that people would decide that the benefit of having access to all their friends in one place was worth the cost of having to censor themselves a little bit in their online sharing since what may be appropriate for one group of friends (e.g. your friends from the gay bar scene) may not be for another (e.g. parents of students in your middle school class). Today has grown to having 500 million users based on that fact.

The reasons for self-censorship are sometimes not so controversial. Simply posting a bunch of kid pictures can get annoying for your coworkers even though your family on Facebook loves every single one of them. For the people who find this need to censor how they share online for various reasons, the argument is that Facebook Groups solves this problem. There’s only one catch which Mark Zuckerburg brought up himself a while ago which is mentioned in the TechCrunch article Facebook Overhauls Groups, A Social Solution To Create “A Pristine Graph”

The naive solution is to do something like Friend Lists,” Zuckerberg says. ”Almost no one wants to make lists,” he continues. He’s noted this before. “The most we’ve ever gotten is 5 percent of people to make a list. It’s pretty brutal to have to do this every single time.” He then went into the algorithmic solutions. These are helpful, Zuckerberg says, but it’s also really easy to get these wrong, he notes. There needs to be a social solution, Zuckerberg says.

Facebook Groups faces all the problems with Friend Lists that Zuckerburg mentions above. In real life, I don’t manage my different social circles at the same time. I go to work and have work friends, I have school friends I still call every once in a while and when I go to my regular poker game there I interact with my poker friends. Every once in a blue moon like at my wedding, all of these worlds collide and it is actually a little stressful to manage them in real time. In addition, when the members of these groups change I don’t have to actively manage them (i.e. when a coworker becomes friendly enough for me to hang out with them outside of work, when a poker friend stops attending the regular poker game or when a coworker switches jobs and we no longer work on related technologies). Friend Lists on Facebook make people work to keep track of changes in their social relationships which is just not how most humans work. I still have phone numbers in my cell phone for people who I was supposed to meet up with for dinner at a conference almost four years ago who’ve since left Microsoft.

Facebook Groups cranks the awkwardness of dealing with this up to 11. Let’s say I create a group for “People who work on social at Microsoft who regularly have lunch” and after a few months to years some of these people leave the company, get promoted or switch roles. As the owner of the group what do I do? Do I kick them out? Do I keep blathering on in private discussions that I know are no longer relevant for half of the recipients and in some cases actually violates work ethics since some of these people have left the company? What happens when I stop working on social at Microsoft?

Facebook Groups may solve some problems users have with Facebook but I suspect it is not the silver bullet that addresses the problem of people having friend groups that they’d like to keep separate on Facebook especially since it introduces a new set of problems for users. Time will tell if I’m right or wrong on this suspicion.

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Friday, 08 October 2010 18:28:06 (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
Facebook groups provide all of the overhead of Lists, with the further disadvantage (as you note) of people being able to tell when you've dropped them. I'm one of that anal 5% that uses lists as a way to filter my posts.
Sean
Saturday, 09 October 2010 05:45:49 (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
FB Groups does have this one advantage that you can share photos or messages with just that subset of friends, something not doable otherwise with FB's feeble default privacy settings, which lack the equivalent of ACLs.
Saturday, 09 October 2010 15:39:35 (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
OK that makes a lot of sense dude.

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JO Dean
Sunday, 10 October 2010 18:27:28 (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
Fazal, Facebook has the best ACLs in the world. If you don't know how to share photos and messages with a small subset of your friends you have never clicked on the "lock" below your status box.
Sam
Monday, 11 October 2010 18:46:41 (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
I agree that Facebook Groups has a nice use case but doesn't solve the problem of dealing with multiple "friend circles". I prefer Friend Lists because i don't want to broadcast how i'm grouping people together.
I'm closer to some people at work than some people i went to college with, so why should i make a work group and a college group when those populations shouldn't get the same information?

As a privacy matter, i think there's a basic trust problem in that if you piss off the wrong person in your inner circle, they can take a screenshot or save your immature pictures and forward them to your coworker that they know. I've yet to hear an option other than to keep such things from getting online in the first place.

The list/group management problem will exist until someone is able to dynamically put people together based on the little bits of detritus we're leaving behind: how often people are texted/called, who emails who, who is in our pictures. Have the system make some guesses and then let me confirm it.
Jon
Tuesday, 12 October 2010 00:15:54 (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
I think you need to give FB groups more of a chance. In the examples you give, I would expect your friends to unsubscribe from the group when they are no longer interested. You wouldn't need to manage anything. The key difference vs friend lists is that groups are a *shared* entity.
Greg
Tuesday, 12 October 2010 17:58:01 (GMT Daylight Time, UTC+01:00)
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